Scandale à Whistler? Autres exemples de femmes-hommes
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Scandale à Whistler? Autres exemples de femmes-hommes
par PL » Jeu Juil 27, 2006 10:09 am
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par Deyv » Jeu Juil 27, 2006 10:38 am
Le sujet a été viré de tout bord, tout côté sur les gros forums Américains et Canadiens depuis au moins 3 ans.
Je suis pas mal sur que c'est arrivé dans d'autre sport aussi, (natation et autre)
Je suis pas mal sur que c'est arrivé dans d'autre sport aussi, (natation et autre)
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par RMB » Jeu Juil 27, 2006 12:00 pm
Personnellement je crois qu'elle ne devrait pas courir avec les femmes pour l'équité du sport tout simplement. En gros c'est une question de génétique et de manière générale les hommes sont plus fort et plus robustes. Si on compare les sport femmes vs hommes les performances des hommes sont aussi en général supérieure (temps + rapide, plus grande distance, etc...)Donc même si elle se l'est fait couper ça ne change pas grand chose à son bagage génétique et même si elle consomme des hormones.
Il devrait penser simplement à l'équité entre les participantes de la compétition et non à tout le problème éthique relié à cela car ça n'a rien à voir! C'est quand on mélange tout ça au nom de l'acceptation à tout prix qu'on se retrouve avec ce genre de situation. Ils font tout pour éviter le dopage dans le sport afin de préserver l'équité alors pourquoi accepter ça?
Il devrait penser simplement à l'équité entre les participantes de la compétition et non à tout le problème éthique relié à cela car ça n'a rien à voir! C'est quand on mélange tout ça au nom de l'acceptation à tout prix qu'on se retrouve avec ce genre de situation. Ils font tout pour éviter le dopage dans le sport afin de préserver l'équité alors pourquoi accepter ça?
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par slam » Jeu Juil 27, 2006 12:29 pm
Article poster par Alain sur http://www.asilvertouch.com (http://www.asilvertouch.com/forums/inde ... 3466&st=40)
Lui ne dit par contre pas ou il l'a pris.
article :
On May 17th, the long fought transsexual battle to compete in the Olympics appreciated a sweet victory. The International Olympic Committee, after long consideration of medical issues, ruled that as long as an athlete's gender is legally recognized and s/he has completed at least two years of post-op hormone therapy, s/he can legally compete in the games. The ruling takes effect immediately, though it's still unclear if any transsexuals will compete in the 2004 Athens Olympics this August.
Gender separation, ambiguity and verification have long been debated when it comes to Olympic participation. This recent decision is obviously controversial, not so much due to overt discrimination, but based on the undisputable physical differences between men and women, including lung capacity, heart capacity and muscle-to-fat ratio.
Doctors have concluded, however, that postoperative hormone therapy effectively alters testosterone levels and muscle mass. IOC medical director Patrick Schamasch stated, "We will have no discrimination. The IOC will respect human rights." The IOC ruling does not, however, mean that this will be the first time a transsexual competes in the Olympics. Several historical Olympians have had their gender questioned after the fact. In 1932, Polish-American runner Stella Walsh sprinted her way to the gold in the 100-meter dash. In 1975, Walsh was inducted into the U.S. Track and Field Hall of Fame. After her death by a stray bullet in Cleveland, her autopsy shocked the world by revealing that she had male genitals and both female and male chromosomes (a condition known as mosaicism).
In 1936, Hermann Ratjen, a German high-jumper, notoriously entered the competition as "Dora," bound his genitals, and took home fourth place.
In 1952, when the USSR first joined the Olympics, the post-cold war nation offered up some stunning female competitors. Subsequent Olympic competitions put forward more and more world-record Soviet female athletes. As the western world continued to lose medal after medal to the Soviet women, rumors erupted.
Because of this, in1964 the IOC began conducting mandatory gender verification testing of all athletes, claiming a prevention of men unfairly competing in women's events. Tamara and Irina Press, sisters from the Soviet Union who competed in the shot-put and hurdles respectively, had one five Olympic titles by 1964. After gender testing was introduced, they infamously disappeared.
According to the Intersex Society of North America, about 1 in 1000 babies has non-standard sex chromosomes. Usually, males have XY chromosomes and females have XX, but the non-standard babies might have XXY, XXYY or XXXY. This gender ambiguity has led to a windfall of debate. Between 1972 and 1984, thirteen women did not pass the verification test, most of whom had what was considered "normal" female phenotypes. Eventually in 1999, the gender verification testing was halted.
Openly transgender tennis player Renee Richards may well be the most famous of transsexual athletes. In 1975, at the age of forty, she underwent gender reassignment surgery and began competing in women's tournaments. In the late 70's, when her gender history was discovered and she was banned from competing in the U.S. Open, Richards sued the United States Tennis Association and won.
Richards has retaliated the theory that competitive, desperate athletes will do anything to win the gold, even change their gender. "How hungry for tennis success must you be," she said, "to have your penis chopped off in pursuit of it?"
Male-to-female athlete Alana Hardie, a soccer player, weight lifter, rock climber, student of martial arts and cyclist, agrees. "People don't transition because they want to shave four-tenths of a second off of their sprint," she points out. "They do it because it's something they need to do for their own peace of mind."
Surprisingly, in a slap to the transgender community, Renee Richards has come out vehemently against the recent IOC ruling. Her argument? Hormone therapy is not much different from steroids, and no amount of therapy can change the basic physiological heart and lung differences she claims.
Hawaiian male-to-female canoe paddler Li Anne Taft disagrees. Though she's not fighting to compete in the Olympics, she has taken her discrimination case against the Hawaiian Canoe Racing Association (which requires gender verification through a birth certificate to compete) to the Hawaii Civil Rights Commission in a fight for transsexual athletic rights.
Canadian mountain bike racer Michelle Dumaresq underwent sex-reassignment surgery in 1996. She finished 24th in the downhill 2002 World Championships in Austria.
There are undoubtedly many more known and unknown tranny athletes looking forward to participating in mainstream competition. The Gay Games, an LGBT Olympic equivalent, however, reports that among almost 2,000 Sydney Gay Games VI participants surveyed, only 1 percent identified as transgender. The effect of the most recent IOC ruling on transsexual participation at the Olympics remains to be seen.
Lui ne dit par contre pas ou il l'a pris.
article :
On May 17th, the long fought transsexual battle to compete in the Olympics appreciated a sweet victory. The International Olympic Committee, after long consideration of medical issues, ruled that as long as an athlete's gender is legally recognized and s/he has completed at least two years of post-op hormone therapy, s/he can legally compete in the games. The ruling takes effect immediately, though it's still unclear if any transsexuals will compete in the 2004 Athens Olympics this August.
Gender separation, ambiguity and verification have long been debated when it comes to Olympic participation. This recent decision is obviously controversial, not so much due to overt discrimination, but based on the undisputable physical differences between men and women, including lung capacity, heart capacity and muscle-to-fat ratio.
Doctors have concluded, however, that postoperative hormone therapy effectively alters testosterone levels and muscle mass. IOC medical director Patrick Schamasch stated, "We will have no discrimination. The IOC will respect human rights." The IOC ruling does not, however, mean that this will be the first time a transsexual competes in the Olympics. Several historical Olympians have had their gender questioned after the fact. In 1932, Polish-American runner Stella Walsh sprinted her way to the gold in the 100-meter dash. In 1975, Walsh was inducted into the U.S. Track and Field Hall of Fame. After her death by a stray bullet in Cleveland, her autopsy shocked the world by revealing that she had male genitals and both female and male chromosomes (a condition known as mosaicism).
In 1936, Hermann Ratjen, a German high-jumper, notoriously entered the competition as "Dora," bound his genitals, and took home fourth place.
In 1952, when the USSR first joined the Olympics, the post-cold war nation offered up some stunning female competitors. Subsequent Olympic competitions put forward more and more world-record Soviet female athletes. As the western world continued to lose medal after medal to the Soviet women, rumors erupted.
Because of this, in1964 the IOC began conducting mandatory gender verification testing of all athletes, claiming a prevention of men unfairly competing in women's events. Tamara and Irina Press, sisters from the Soviet Union who competed in the shot-put and hurdles respectively, had one five Olympic titles by 1964. After gender testing was introduced, they infamously disappeared.
According to the Intersex Society of North America, about 1 in 1000 babies has non-standard sex chromosomes. Usually, males have XY chromosomes and females have XX, but the non-standard babies might have XXY, XXYY or XXXY. This gender ambiguity has led to a windfall of debate. Between 1972 and 1984, thirteen women did not pass the verification test, most of whom had what was considered "normal" female phenotypes. Eventually in 1999, the gender verification testing was halted.
Openly transgender tennis player Renee Richards may well be the most famous of transsexual athletes. In 1975, at the age of forty, she underwent gender reassignment surgery and began competing in women's tournaments. In the late 70's, when her gender history was discovered and she was banned from competing in the U.S. Open, Richards sued the United States Tennis Association and won.
Richards has retaliated the theory that competitive, desperate athletes will do anything to win the gold, even change their gender. "How hungry for tennis success must you be," she said, "to have your penis chopped off in pursuit of it?"
Male-to-female athlete Alana Hardie, a soccer player, weight lifter, rock climber, student of martial arts and cyclist, agrees. "People don't transition because they want to shave four-tenths of a second off of their sprint," she points out. "They do it because it's something they need to do for their own peace of mind."
Surprisingly, in a slap to the transgender community, Renee Richards has come out vehemently against the recent IOC ruling. Her argument? Hormone therapy is not much different from steroids, and no amount of therapy can change the basic physiological heart and lung differences she claims.
Hawaiian male-to-female canoe paddler Li Anne Taft disagrees. Though she's not fighting to compete in the Olympics, she has taken her discrimination case against the Hawaiian Canoe Racing Association (which requires gender verification through a birth certificate to compete) to the Hawaii Civil Rights Commission in a fight for transsexual athletic rights.
Canadian mountain bike racer Michelle Dumaresq underwent sex-reassignment surgery in 1996. She finished 24th in the downhill 2002 World Championships in Austria.
There are undoubtedly many more known and unknown tranny athletes looking forward to participating in mainstream competition. The Gay Games, an LGBT Olympic equivalent, however, reports that among almost 2,000 Sydney Gay Games VI participants surveyed, only 1 percent identified as transgender. The effect of the most recent IOC ruling on transsexual participation at the Olympics remains to be seen.
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